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#1 (permalink)      10/10/2021 5:26:49 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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I NEED A BATTERY FOR THIS RIGEL 230W MOD
With all the 18650 batteries on the market now,, What 18650 battery should I use for this mod? Do you carry 18650 batteries? Can you recommend a battery?
#2 (permalink)      10/10/2021 6:35:41 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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I would purchase locally if possible, due to shipping restrictions and costs. If you have a local vape shop, great.

if not, FT has lots of 18650s, but I don't know whats in stock currently. Look for authentic brands Sansung, Sony, Molicell and LG for the best results, at least 15/20 amps for a regulated dual cell, and a realistic 2500 mah per cell is common.

Good luck!
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I would go for molicel P26A or Sony Murata VTC5D
In a pinch, I would also accept VTC5* Samsung 25S
#4 (permalink)      10/10/2021 6:59:02 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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All those are great batteries listed above, but checking FT's listings, all the cells with brand names are rebranded by Litokalla, which may mean factory seconds. The 3 or 4 cell manufacturers have a grading system for their cells, and only the very best are listed "A grade". the next two lower grades are sold to other companies and re-labeled, or rebranded.

Often the cell is still quite good, with no discernible drop-off in performance, and above all, SAFE. But there has been some parameter that did not pass muster - so those are sold off to bargain hunting vendors, like FT!

For regulated mods with dual 18s, I prefer 30q, by samsung, or HG2, by LG. Both of these cells have higher mah, meaning longer vape time! You won't need a super high amp cell with a regulated mod, both of these choices are great, but IF you plan to use your cells in multiple devices, PLEASE buy according to your vape habits...mech users will want 20S Samsungs or similar for super low builds under .2 ohms.
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#5 (permalink)      10/10/2021 7:38:14 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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There's also a thing about recharging cycles... I have found that ~3000mAh has a shorter life span than ~2500mAh, as they start to sag faster.
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zarck wrote:

There's also a thing about recharging cycles... I have found that ~3000mAh has a shorter life span than ~2500mAh, as they start to sag faster.


I don't know about that, I use the batteries above because they have outlasted all my 25Rs, for instance. The 30Q has been under-rated forever, I guess due to "MOOCH" being the only word most know on the subject. They are super solid, cool-running 22 amp cells, seriously under-rated IF you can find authentics....don't know about the Lito-branded ones sold here at FT.

Longer vape time, less recharging...it's all about how you think about it.

As far as charge cycles, I don't keep count on any of my 350-400 cells on hand - what I do is notice when drop-off occurs, and the cell goes to recycling. Life is too short for crappy cells, lol!

A well-kept secret cell from LG is SUPERB if you run low-ohm mech builds - the LG HD2. I've only been able to obtain them from battery packs from high-dollar Hilti rechargeable tools, but I got 16 at one time at least! LG no longer sells to individuals, so the only route is deconstructing packs! I don't recommend this for novices, as it's VERY hazardous to disassemble and remove the cells, without fire/combustion/punctured cells, as you need special tools to open the packs.

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Molicel P28A 2800 mah 35A from an authorized distributor if you live in the US. These seem to be hard to find at the moment.
#8 (permalink)      10/11/2021 7:12:39 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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Molicel P26A 35A 2600 mah are inexpensive and easy to find in the US, and when I NOR tested a pair on my Litokalla charger, they came out to 2690 mah and 2724 mah.

Edited on 10/11/2021 at 8:01 AM. Reason: Corrected mah
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All of the batteries listed above are good.

The only additional advice I can give is to buy the batteries with an Amp rating best suited to your vaping habits - a rule of thumb is to use a MAXIMUM power setting of 3 Watts per Amp per battery.

e.g. if you are using 2 15 Amp batteries 3(W) x 15(A) x 2(Batteries) = a maximum power of 90 Watts.

if you are using 2 20 Amp Batteries 3(W) x 20(A) x 2(Batteries) = a maximum power of 120 Watts.

if you are using 2 25 Amp batteries 3(W) x 25(A) x 2 (Batteries) = a maximum power of 150 Watts.

Bear in mind that if you habitually max out your batteries they will deteriorate and lose capacity faster - so you would be unlikely to get the full 200 charge cycles from them - . If you vape at close to the maximum Amp rating it is worth considering higher Amp rated batteries as they won't be under as much stress, will run cooler and give longer service life.

Buy from a reputable vendor - AVOID places like eBay at all costs - and check online for specification data sheets and tests (Battery Mooch is a great source for reliable information). If you can't find any information on a battery, don't buy.
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I am one of the few that prefers Samsung 30Q to Molicel's but it seems the latter are much easier to find ATM than the former.
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#11 (permalink)      10/11/2021 4:06:26 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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carrion4worm wrote:


As far as charge cycles, I don't keep count on any of my 350-400 cells on hand



As for the charge cycles, the datasheets are a pretty good hint (even though things like not loading 100% amperage will extend the life and so on, which is true for both).

Samsung 30Q :
https://fdocuments.net/reader/full/introduction-of-inr18650-30q-introduction-of-inr18650-30q-proprietary-and

Molicel P26A :
http://www.molicel.com/cn/wp-content/uploads/INR18650P26A-V2-80087.pdf

So reading the cycle graphs will show that the 30Q will be worse than P26A after 200 cycles (2400mAh), while it will take the P26A 500 cycles to reach the same level.

Also, I can't help to wonder how your battery rotation works with 350-400 cells? How many cells do you go thru in a day? And how many batteries can you recharge at the same time?


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